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Ble registrert: 07 Aug 2005 11:19:01
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InnleggSkrevet: 05 Apr 2010 09:44:45    Tittel: Hans ANDERSEN & Juliane ERIKSDATTER: Østfold to NZ, 1872 Svar med Sitat

Hans ANDERSEN, his second wife, Juliane ERIKSDATTER, and 4 of their children, emigrated from Norway to New Zealand in 1872, per ship "Høvding":
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=5 &filnamn=EMIOSLO&gardpostnr=25137&spraak=e&merk=25137#ovre

I am seeking the following information:

1. Hans' parents (his father was Anders ANDERSEN) and date and place of birth.

2. His date of death in NZ. I think this date is recorded on his marriage records, below, as 1883, but cannot translate - could someone please confirm?

3. I have a number of Hans' children listed at
www.norsewoodcemetery.co.nz/skarpholt-andersen-hans-996-descendants/
Of his 17+ children, only Mathilde Sophie, Clara Emilie, Hans, and Jenny emigrated to New Zealand, so I would like to know what happened to the others.

Hans' first marriage to Helvig NIELSDATTER:
Østfold fylke, Borge i Borge, Ministerialbok nr. I 4 (1836-1848), Ekteviede 1848, side 284-285
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=7446&idx_id=7446&uid =ny&idx_side=-135
Marriage no. 14.

Hans' second marriage to Juliane (Juliana) ERIKSDATTER:
Østfold fylke, Borge i Borge, Ministerialbok nr. I 6 (1861-1874), Ekteviede 1861, side 205
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=354&idx_id=354&uid=n y&idx_side=-206
Marriage no. 3.

I have also posted this message at
www.disnorge.no/slektsforum/viewtopic.php?t=86822

Thanks.


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Ble registrert: 24 Apr 2009 11:22:14
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Bosted: DRAMMEN

InnleggSkrevet: 07 Apr 2010 13:44:07    Tittel: Re: Hans ANDERSEN & Juliane ERIKSDATTER: Østfold to NZ, Svar med Sitat

Hi

The marriage to Helvig was not his first marriage. He was a "enkemand" widower when he was married des 29, 1847.
The note under his name tells: Han død paa Ny-Zealand 1883 = He died in New Zealand 1883.
The note at the far right tells he had a "Attest" (certificate) from Rakkestad dated Oct 6.

Here is Hans Andersen leaving Rakkestad. No 34 right page:
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=405&idx_id=405&uid=n y&idx_side=-227
34: Enkemand Hans Andersen H???, 22 aar födt paa Skarpholt = 22 years old, born at the farm Skarpholt. Til Borge med attest af 6 okt 1847 = To Borge with certificate dated Oct 6, 1847.

I guess this is his father still at the farm Skarpholt in 1865:
http://digitalarkivet.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=19&fi lnamn=f60128&gardpostnr=784&personpostnr=4773&merk=4773#ovre

Hans Andersen was born Des 21, 1824 and baptized jan 16, 1825. No 8 right page:
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=9&idx_id=9&uid=ny&id x_side=-4
Parents: Hans Andersen and Grete Jensdatter.

His first marriage was April 19, 1845 to Johanne Olsdatter. No 23:
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=405&idx_id=405&uid=n y&idx_side=-194
(The names in the colum after them are the witnesses/bestmen and not parents)
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Ble registrert: 24 Apr 2009 11:22:14
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InnleggSkrevet: 07 Apr 2010 14:22:15    Tittel: Re: Hans ANDERSEN & Juliane ERIKSDATTER: Østfold to NZ, Svar med Sitat

Hi

Here you have Juliane with children in the 1865 census living in Sarpsborg:
http://digitalarkivet.no/cgi-win/WebCens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=35&fi lnamn=f60102&gardpostnr=117&personpostnr=1097&merk=1097#ovre

Vivi
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Ble registrert: 07 Aug 2005 11:19:01
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InnleggSkrevet: 12 Apr 2010 09:58:59    Tittel: Re: Hans ANDERSEN & Juliane ERIKSDATTER: Østfold to NZ, Svar med Sitat

Thank you for the above information, Vivi.
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Ble registrert: 07 Aug 2005 11:19:01
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InnleggSkrevet: 20 Apr 2010 00:06:37    Tittel: Re: Hans ANDERSEN & Juliane ERIKSDATTER: Østfold to NZ, Svar med Sitat

I found this record which might account for the death of Han's first wife, Johanne OLSDATTER:
Østfold fylke, Rakkestad, Ministerialbok nr. I 8 (1842-1849), Døde og begravede 1846, side 977-978.
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=405&idx_id=405&uid=n y&idx_side=-251
Died 28 Aug 1846; buried 02 Sep 1846, See no. 61.

I cannot read Norwegian and am wondering if there is anything in this record that would indicate this is the same person.

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Ble registrert: 07 Aug 2005 11:19:01
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InnleggSkrevet: 06 Mar 2012 00:37:41    Tittel: Re: Hans ANDERSEN & Juliane ERIKSDATTER: Østfold to NZ, Svar med Sitat

I am trying to find the birth records for Hans' and Juliane's children as follows:

Hans (born about 1869)

Jennie Marie (born about 1871/1872)


I haven't been able to determine where/when they were born, but have the following records which may help:

Hans ANDERSEN - their father - born 21 Dec 1824 in Skarpholt, Rakkestad, Østfold, Norway.

Juliane ERIKSDATTER SYVERSTAD - their mother - born 02 Jul 1861 in Borge in Borge, Østfold, Norway.


Other children of Hans and Juliane:

Mathilde Sophie was born on 21 Dec 1862 in Borge, Østfold, Norway.
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=354&idx_id=354&uid=n y&idx_side=-18

Emma was born on 09 Sep 1865 in Sarpsborg, Østfold, Norway.
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=424&idx_id=424&uid=n y&idx_side=-100

Clara Emilie was born on 15 Apr 1867 in Sarpsborg, Østfold, Norway.
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=424&idx_id=424&uid=n y&idx_side=-132


The family's emigration record says they were living at Fredrikstad before they emigrated:
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=5 &filnamn=EMIOSLO&gardpostnr=25137&spraak=e&merk=25137#ovre
25132 Oslo 397 1872 30 Maren Sofie Hansen f u Pige 21 Fredrikstad New Zealand 1312 Norsk œ 5 Høvding
25137 Oslo 399A 1872 30 Hans Andersen m G Skomager 43 Fredrikstad New Zealand 1317 Norsk œ 32 Høvding
25138 Oslo 399B 1872 30 Juliane f G 34 Fredrikstad New Zealand 1318 Norsk œ 32 Høvding
25139 Oslo 399C 1872 30 Mathilde f u 9 Fredrikstad New Zealand 1319 Norsk œ 32 Høvding
25140 Oslo 399D 1872 30 Klara f u 5 Fredrikstad New Zealand 1320 Norsk œ 32 Høvding
25141 Oslo 399E 1872 30 Hans m u 3 Fredrikstad New Zealand 1321 Norsk œ 32 Høvding
25142 Oslo 399F 1872 30 Jenny f u 1/2 åR Fredrikstad New Zealand 1322 Norsk œ 32 Høvding
However, I haven't been able to find any record of them leaving Fredrikstad.
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Ble registrert: 19 Okt 2004 05:54:43
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InnleggSkrevet: 07 Mar 2012 00:49:14    Tittel: Re: Hans ANDERSEN & Juliane ERIKSDATTER: Østfold to NZ, Svar med Sitat

Hi Pip,

Hans was born in Glemmen near Fredrikstad 13th May 1869 (no. 93):
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=7458&idx_id=7458&uid =ny&idx_side=-29

Jenny Marie born in Glemmen 10th Nov. 1871 (No. 48 ):
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=7458&idx_id=7458&uid =ny&idx_side=-64

The church record has the family leaving for New Zealand on 10th April 1872:
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=377&idx_id=377&uid=n y&idx_side=-380

According to NZ BDM Hans Andersen died 16th Aug. 1882.


Regards
Vidar
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Ble registrert: 07 Aug 2005 11:19:01
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InnleggSkrevet: 07 Mar 2012 07:35:33    Tittel: Re: Hans ANDERSEN & Juliane ERIKSDATTER: Østfold to NZ, Svar med Sitat

Thanks, Vidar! I'd spent days looking for them without success. I appreciate your help.
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InnleggSkrevet: 07 Mar 2012 08:28:39    Tittel: Re: Hans ANDERSEN & Juliane ERIKSDATTER: Østfold to NZ, Svar med Sitat

Can anyone help with the children marked *? I'd like to find out what happened to them.

Children of Hans ANDERSEN SKARPHOLT and Helvig NIELSDATTER:

* Peter Anton b. 1848 in Borge - may have gone to the United States, but cannot find death/emigration.

Maren Sofie b. 1850 in Østfold; d. 1850 in Skjeberg - I have located these records.

Maren Sofie b. 1851 in Skjeberg; d. NZ - I have located these records.

* Niels b. 1855 in Årum, Borge - I have this record, but cannot find death/burial (FamilySearch says he died the day he was born, but I cannot confirm.)

* Niels b. 1857 in Årum, Borge - I have this record. Found in 1865 census in Sannesund eller Torve - Gaden, Sarpsborg. Not with father at emigration.

* Otto b. 1859 in Årum, Borge - I have this record. Found in 1865 census as foster child of his maternal aunt in Barakke No 3, Borge. Not with father at emigration.

* Bolette b. 1859 in Årum, Borge - I have this record. Found in 1865 census with step-mother Juliane in Sannesund eller Torve - Gaden, Sarpsborg. Not with father at emigration.

Children of Hans ANDERSEN SKARPHOLT and Juliane ERIKSDATTER SYVERSTAD:

Mathilde Sophie b. 1862 in Borge - I have this record. Emigrated from NZ. Either died at sea, or before father Hans died in 1882.

* Emma b. 1865 in Sarpsborg - I have this record. Found in 1865 census in Sannesund eller Torve - Gaden, Sarpsborg with mother Juliane. Not with parents at emigration.

Clara Emilie b. 1867 in Sarpsborg - I have this record. Emigrated to NZ. Found in NZ records.

Hans - as above. Emigrated to NZ, but haven't been able to trace him after that.

Jenny Marie - as above. Emigrated to NZ. Found in NZ records.
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Ble registrert: 19 Okt 2004 05:54:43
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InnleggSkrevet: 07 Mar 2012 23:33:42    Tittel: Re: Hans ANDERSEN & Juliane ERIKSDATTER: Østfold to NZ, Svar med Sitat

Hi Pip,

This is probably Peter Anton Hansen b. 1848 in the 1865 census for Sarpsborg:
http://digitalarkivet.no/cgi-win/WebCens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=5&fil namn=f60102&gardpostnr=271&personpostnr=2807&merk=2807#ovre


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Vidar
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Ble registrert: 07 Aug 2005 11:19:01
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InnleggSkrevet: 08 Mar 2012 22:53:17    Tittel: Re: Hans ANDERSEN & Juliane ERIKSDATTER: Østfold to NZ, Svar med Sitat

Thanks, Vidar.
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Ble registrert: 19 Okt 2004 05:54:43
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InnleggSkrevet: 11 Mar 2012 22:30:30    Tittel: Re: Hans ANDERSEN & Juliane ERIKSDATTER: Østfold to NZ, Svar med Sitat

Hi Pip,

It appears you are looking for information from the Østfold county and a posting in the relevant Østfold forum at Slektsforum might be something to consider if you are not successful here.


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Ble registrert: 07 Aug 2005 11:19:01
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InnleggSkrevet: 15 Mar 2012 22:34:46    Tittel: Re: Hans ANDERSEN & Juliane ERIKSDATTER: Østfold to NZ, Svar med Sitat

Good idea, Vidar. Thanks.

I have continued the thread here:
www.disnorge.no/slektsforum/viewtopic.php?t=86822
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