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InnleggSkrevet: 29 Sep 2020 18:43:40    Tittel: Lars Andersen Svar med Sitat

Searching for the baptism record for Lars Andersen born 1850 Frogner Aker (?). This is all I have.

I have not been able to find any information.

Thank you for your help.

Solveig Schavland
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InnleggSkrevet: 29 Sep 2020 18:54:01    Tittel: Re: Lars Andersen Svar med Sitat

There are several places and parishes in Norway called Frogn, Frogner and Fron. Usually, there is a lot more information to be found in the American sources.

Where in the US did he live? When did he die? Where and whom did he marry? When did he arrive in the US?

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InnleggSkrevet: 29 Sep 2020 22:36:47    Tittel: Re: Lars Andersen Svar med Sitat

The family thinks that he was from Aker. He is the father of the illegitimate child born to Anne Olsdatter (baptized in Grue in 1873), but unfortunately, that is the only information they have about him.

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InnleggSkrevet: 29 Sep 2020 22:53:01    Tittel: Re: Lars Andersen Svar med Sitat

Then it must be this baptism of Ovidia in Grue 11 May 1873
SAH, Grue prestekontor, Ministerialbok nr. 10, 1864-1873, s. 122
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InnleggSkrevet: 29 Sep 2020 23:33:26    Tittel: Re: Lars Andersen Svar med Sitat

Yes, but I have not been able to find his baptism record.

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InnleggSkrevet: 30 Sep 2020 10:05:35    Tittel: Re: Lars Andersen Svar med Sitat

This is a difficult challenge. Lars Andersen is a very «generic» name, and there is no Lars Andersen who fits the description in the 1875 census in Grue.

This means that Lars was probably a short term visitor to Grue, which again increases the risk that the information about him is from the child’s mother’s memory, and not necessarily correct.

If we assume that the name Lars Andersen is correct, he was probably born in the 1840-ies or early 1850-ies.
He probably lived at a farm called Frogner at some point, but he was not necessarily born there.
Frogner in (Vestre) Aker is probably the best guess, which was a big estate with many emplyees.

There are more than a thousand Lars Andersens in each of the 1865 and 1875 census records, but with the age limits and geographic limit to the counties of Oslo, Akershus and Hedmark, we are down to about 50.

None of these have a link to Frogner, but there is one in Vestre Aker in the 1865 census who fits the profile
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/census/person/pf01038011006908

He was born in Hakadal, north of Oslo, in 1850, and he is working for a Swedish coachman, which gives him a reason to be «on the road» between Norway and Sweden, possibly going through Grue.

I find a baptism in Hakadal (in Nittedal) , born 31 July 1849, No 28
SAO, Nittedal prestekontor Kirkebøker, F/Fa/L0004: Ministerialbok nr. I 4, 1836-1849, s. 47
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20061102010209

Here is his confirmation in Vestre Aker in 1866, no 30
SAO, Vestre Aker prestekontor Kirkebøker, F/Fa/L0005: Ministerialbok nr. 5, 1859-1877, s. 109
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20060920080114


This is so far just a speculative candidate that needs to be confirmed by other records.
I have not found him in the 1875 census, which suggests that he either died, or emigrated between 1873 and 1875
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InnleggSkrevet: 30 Sep 2020 13:24:35    Tittel: Re: Lars Andersen Svar med Sitat

Probably
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/140724024/ovidie-sandersen

Name: Ovidia Sanderson
Arrival Date: 18 Sep 1936
Birth Date: abt 1873
Age: 63
Gender: Female
Port of Departure: Oslo, Norway
Port of Arrival: New York, New York, USA
Ship Name: Stavangerfjord
Search Ship Database: Search for the Stavangerfjord in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database

Name: Ovidia Andersen
[Ovidie Andersen]
Arrival Date: 20 Apr 1906
Birth Date: abt 1873
Age: 33
Gender: Female
Ethnicity/ Nationality: Scandinavian
Port of Departure: Christiania
Port of Arrival: New York, New York, USA
Ship Name: United States
Search Ship Database: Search for the United States in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database

https://www.digitalarkivet.no/census/person/pf01037045182972
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InnleggSkrevet: 16 Okt 2020 10:35:22    Tittel: Re: Lars Andersen Svar med Sitat

Matthias skrev:

None of these have a link to Frogner, but there is one in Vestre Aker in the 1865 census who fits the profile
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/census/person/pf01038011006908

He was born in Hakadal, north of Oslo, in 1850, and he is working for a Swedish coachman, which gives him a reason to be «on the road» between Norway and Sweden, possibly going through Grue.

I find a baptism in Hakadal (in Nittedal) , born 31 July 1849, No 28
SAO, Nittedal prestekontor Kirkebøker, F/Fa/L0004: Ministerialbok nr. I 4, 1836-1849, s. 47
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20061102010209

Here is his confirmation in Vestre Aker in 1866, no 30
SAO, Vestre Aker prestekontor Kirkebøker, F/Fa/L0005: Ministerialbok nr. 5, 1859-1877, s. 109
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20060920080114


This is so far just a speculative candidate that needs to be confirmed by other records.
I have not found him in the 1875 census, which suggests that he either died, or emigrated between 1873 and 1875


Looking at Bygdebok for Nittedal og Hakadal : gardshistorie. 2 : Hakadal on page 273. There's Anders Larsen, wife Mathea Andersdatter and Lars born 1849 (with several more kids after). "Anders brought the whole family to America in 1869" ... "with the ship Concordia".

The same Lars is probably this Lewis A. Larson (Find a grave). Same birth date, in Hakadal, and same parents.
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InnleggSkrevet: 16 Okt 2020 11:44:20    Tittel: Re: Lars Andersen Svar med Sitat

Here is the emigration record from Nittedal dated April 10, 1869
SAO, Nittedal prestekontor Kirkebøker, F/Fa/L0006: Ministerialbok nr. I 6, 1863-1878, s. 354
Brukslenke for sidevisning: https://www.digitalarkivet.no/kb20060929090396
Lars is number 25.

And here is the passenger record from April 14 heading for ”Kvebek” onboard the Concordia
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/view/8/pe00000000402880

This strongly suggests that he could not be the father of Ovidia in Grue in 1873.
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InnleggSkrevet: 16 Okt 2020 12:55:53    Tittel: Re: Lars Andersen Svar med Sitat

Going back to start, here is another candidate that I think it is worth looking into.

Lars Gundersen born about 1836 in Vinger.

He is an unmarried farm helper at Frogner in (Vestre) Aker in 1865
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/census/person/pf01038011008376

In 1875, he appears to have moved back to his home town, Kongsvinger, just south of Grue, and he is now working as a carpenter. Still unmarried.
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/census/person/pf01052057000585

His age and patronymic do not fit the baptism records of Ovidia, but I think these facts are the least likely ones to be known for sure by Ovidia’s mother. One could also speculate that she had reason to blur the father’s true identity.

Again, this candidate is a speculation that needs to be confirmed by other records.
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