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Ble registrert: 23 Apr 2015 04:29:25
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InnleggSkrevet: 26 Jul 2015 21:01:54    Tittel: Hermand Shomager and Anne Hermandsdatter Svar med Sitat

I have the following information on one of my ancestors:

Anne Hermandsdatter
Gender: Female
Christening: Oct 28 1704, Kongsberg, Buskerud, Norway
Father: Hermand Schomager
Indexing Project (Batch) Number:C42859-1
System Origin: Norway-EASy
GS Film number: 123982
Reference ID: 1696-1755

I haven't been able to find any records for Hermand Schomager. Does Schomager refer to his profession?

I have records indicating that Anne married Lars Hansen Darboe.

Does anyone have some information about Hermand or on Anne?

Thank you for your help,

Martha Anderson
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Ble registrert: 03 Nov 2006 09:10:00
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InnleggSkrevet: 26 Jul 2015 21:53:52    Tittel: Re: Hermand Shomager and Anne Hermandsdatter Svar med Sitat

Martha skrev:
Does Schomager refer to his profession?


Yes, he was a shoemaker.

Anne's baptism, left page:

Kildeinformasjon: Buskerud fylke, Kongsberg, Ministerialbok nr. 1 (1696-1720), Fødte og døpte 1704, side 45-46.
Permanent sidelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=8568&idx_id=8568&uid =ny&idx_side=-26
Permanent bildelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20070315660662.jpg

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Else B.
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Ble registrert: 23 Apr 2015 04:29:25
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InnleggSkrevet: 26 Jul 2015 22:38:36    Tittel: Re: Hermand Shomager and Anne Hermandsdatter Svar med Sitat

Thank you!

Martha
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Ble registrert: 02 Sep 2014 12:10:56
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InnleggSkrevet: 26 Jul 2015 22:42:49    Tittel: Re: Hermand Shomager and Anne Hermandsdatter Svar med Sitat

Hi Martha!

Schomager (skomaker in modern Norwegian) means shoemaker. Whether this was his profession or not, is uncertain. It was not uncommon in the Kongsberg Area using a professional title as a surname without actually working in that a profession. In most cases the surname was inherited from an ancestor who had practiced that profession.

Let me take my own ancestors as an example: Among them is a Lars Schomager. He lived in the early-18th Century, and was a shoemaker. In the next generation I have an Ole Schomager. He was a miner, not a shoemaker. So without more information about Hermand it's impossible to say whether Hermand was a shoemaker or not.

I don't understand why Else B. can be so sure that he actually was a shoemaker!


An Anna Hermansdatter married an Ole Hanssøn in Kongsberg on 6 January 1724. She is probably the Anne Hermandsdatter you refer to:
Kildeinformasjon: Buskerud fylke, Kongsberg, Ministerialbok nr. 2 (1721-1743), Ekteviede 1723-1725, side 472-473.
Permanent sidelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=8569&idx_id=8569&uid =ny&idx_side=-233
No one with similar names are registered to have married there in the first half of the 18th Century.

There is a probate registration after this Anne Hermandsdatter in 1740 showing that she was survived by her husband Lars Hansen Darboe (also mentioned as Darboe or Tack) and 4 children, among them one died before the registration was completed in 1744. It also mentions that Anne had a brother, Erich Hermandsen Kofstad, living in the neighboring parish of Eiker.

It might be him who was christened in Eiker in 1700 as a son of Herman Kopstad (Kopstad is another spelling for Kofstad):
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/gen/vis/27/pa00000000531201

This christening from 1691 shows that his complete name was Herman(d) Eriksøn:
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/kb/dp/person/pd00000002833794

In Eiker in 1690 a Herman Eriksøn marries a Ingeborg Hansdatter:
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/kb/vi/person/pv00000000112281

They had two more children christened in 1694 and 1704:
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/kb/dp/person/pd00000002833992
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/kb/dp/person/pd00000002833139

After the spring of 1704 this Family disappears from the records of Eiker.


The reason for the probate registration after Anne Hermandsdatter in 1740 was that her late husband intended to remarry. On 28 May 1740 we find Lars Hanssen Tack marrying a Ingeborg Erichsdatter:
Kildeinformasjon: Buskerud fylke, Kongsberg, Ministerialbok nr. 2 (1721-1743), Ekteviede 1741, side 496-497.
Permanent sidelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=8569&idx_id=8569&uid =ny&idx_side=-245

The probate registration after Ingeborg Erichsdatter to place in 1761:
http://digitalarkivet.arkivverket.no/gen/vis/27/pa00000000541434

This record shows that her late husband died before the registration was completed in 1765.


In a 1732 register of the employees of the Kongsberg Silver Works I find Lars Hansen Tack, age 33, born in Eiker, working as a "hauer" (i.e. a senior ordinary miner) in the "Willen Gottes" Mine, been hired for 17 years, married, 2 children, living in his own house in Kongsberg.

"Willen Gottes" is German for "the Will of God". Most mines in the Kongsberg Area had German names.
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