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Ble registrert: 13 Feb 2011 05:35:17
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InnleggSkrevet: 08 Nov 2017 23:42:10    Tittel: Catherine Ellevsdatter of Innset 1801 census Svar med Sitat

In the 1801 census Catherine Ellevsdatter is 73, twice widowed, and it says, living with her son and his family. However it also says, "i sønnens brød." I would like to know if this means that she was living with her son's brother, meaning that Niels Ingebrigtsen was her step-son. Niels Ingebrigtsen's brother, Arne, is my four great-grandfather and this would mean that Catherine Ellevsdatter would be my direct ancestor. Here is the 1801 census from Digitalarkivet:
http://gda.arkivverket.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&sidenr=1&fi lnamn=f18010440&gardpostnr=154&personpostnr=853&merk=853#ovre
Here is a link to the original document: https://media.digitalarkivet.no/en/view/58249/15?indexing=
I know that the Innset bygdebok claims that Catherine Ellevsdatter was a step-mother to both Niels and Arne Ingebrigtsen, but I know that bygdeboks can often be very unreliable. Any help in this matter would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.
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Ble registrert: 26 Jun 2014 06:13:20
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InnleggSkrevet: 09 Nov 2017 13:45:03    Tittel: Re: Catherine Ellevsdatter of Innset 1801 census Svar med Sitat

Inset is not in Sør-Trønderlag, Inset si in Kvikne in Hedmark (Østlandet)
"I sønnens brød" means that she was living together with Niels and his family.
brød = bread
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Ble registrert: 29 Mai 2016 11:36:13
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InnleggSkrevet: 09 Nov 2017 14:49:57    Tittel: Re: Catherine Ellevsdatter of Innset 1801 census Svar med Sitat

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Inset is not in Sør-Trønderlag, Inset si in Kvikne in Hedmark (Østlandet)


In 1801 Inset was an annex of Kvikne in Hedemark. Today, however, Innset is safely located in Rennebu, Sør-Trøndelag (since 1966).

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Matthias
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Ble registrert: 26 Jun 2014 06:13:20
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InnleggSkrevet: 09 Nov 2017 15:10:50    Tittel: Re: Catherine Ellevsdatter of Innset 1801 census Svar med Sitat

Matthias skrev:
Grete skrev:
Inset is not in Sør-Trønderlag, Inset si in Kvikne in Hedmark (Østlandet)


In 1801 Inset was an annex of Kvikne in Hedemark. Today, however, Innset is safely located in Rennebu, Sør-Trøndelag (since 1966).

Hilsen
Matthias


Ja, men kirkebøkene for Inset for det aktuelle tdsrom er å finne under Kvikne, Hedmark.
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Ble registrert: 29 Mai 2016 11:36:13
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InnleggSkrevet: 09 Nov 2017 15:35:37    Tittel: Re: Catherine Ellevsdatter of Innset 1801 census Svar med Sitat

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Matthias skrev:
Grete skrev:
Inset is not in Sør-Trønderlag, Inset si in Kvikne in Hedmark (Østlandet)


In 1801 Inset was an annex of Kvikne in Hedemark. Today, however, Innset is safely located in Rennebu, Sør-Trøndelag (since 1966).

Hilsen
Matthias


Ja, men kirkebøkene for Inset for det aktuelle tdsrom er å finne under Kvikne, Hedmark.


Poenget var at slik etterlysningsforumet er strukturert er det riktig å plassere Innset under Rennebu, Sør-Trøndelag, og ikke under Tynset, Hedmark, hvor Kvikne hører til nå.

Here is a link til the Innset bygdebok (accessable only from Norwegian IP addresses)
https://www.nb.no/items/faa249e26e5605c46ffd0f34d9108e3f?page=467
Nils and Arne Ingebrigtsen are supposed to be the sons of Ingebrigt Nilsen (d. before 1764) and Marit Arnesdatter.

The relation to Cathrine Ellevsdatter is so far unclear
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Ble registrert: 13 Feb 2011 05:35:17
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InnleggSkrevet: 09 Nov 2017 22:10:07    Tittel: Re: Catherine Ellevsdatter of Innset 1801 census Svar med Sitat

Thank you all very much for responding to my query. I appreciate it. I am very well aware that Innset was part of the parish Kvikne at one time, which is in Hedmark. However, today Innset, which I have visited, is a part of Rennebu, Sør-Trøndelag. I thought it only appropriate to send me query to Rennebu, since there is no other selection for Innset.

I believe I am going to consider Catherine Ellefsdatter to have been the mother of Arne Ingebrigtsen. I say this because Arne's older daughter was named Catherine, not Marit, who was his father's other wife; which follows the Norwegian naming system. Arne had a son named Ellef in honor of Catherine's father. Also following the Norwegian naming system, Arne may have been named in honor his father's first wife, who was apparently Marit Arnesdatter. There is a gap in the Kvikne parish records at this time, and in fact Innset is not even included in those records prior to 1764, so much of one's research is somewhat speculative. I realize that the Innset bygdebok records state that Marit Anresdatter was the mother of both Niels and Arne Ingebrigtsen, but we all know that bygdeboks can be extremely unreliable sources of information. Thank you.
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Ble registrert: 29 Mai 2016 11:36:13
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InnleggSkrevet: 09 Nov 2017 22:49:50    Tittel: Re: Catherine Ellevsdatter of Innset 1801 census Svar med Sitat

On page 458 in the Innset bygdebok, there is younger Ingebrigt Nilsen from Aasenhus living on the Utøien farm. He also had a son Arne, although several years later in 1787. This Ingebrigt’s wife was also supposedly called Marit Arntsdatter, which makes me wonder if the author of the book got the two families mixed up.

In light of this, and the more solid clues from the 1801 census, I agree with you that Cathrine Ellevsdatter is a more likely candidate for the mother of the brothers Nils and Arne, who were born around 1750-1760

In 1801 the other Ingebrigt Nilsen is living as a widower with his children at Aasenhus in Støren
https://www.digitalarkivet.no/census/person/pf01058446001560
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